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Old 11-22-2005, 12:26 AM   #1
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Prove Psi Doesn't Exist

Proof that psi _doesn't_ exist...yes, that's right, does anyone out there have proof that it does not exist?  I'm curious :-P  (Don't ask me how you prove something does not exist, either, lol)

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Old 11-22-2005, 03:08 AM   #2
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that seemed rather heretical.
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:53 AM   #3
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Um, "The burden of evidence lies on the claimant. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

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Old 11-22-2005, 07:27 AM   #4
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That always raises the question, though, of exactly what is "extraordinary".
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:04 AM   #5
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Old 11-22-2005, 07:50 PM   #6
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I partially agree with you there Elliptic, but I figured I'd start this post to see if anyone is willing to attempt to prove it doesn't exist, since there are very few people in psi communties that are willing to go through the challenge. I think it would be something interesting worth proving the non existense of. Particularly, I was wondering if anyone had any substansive proof that it doesn't exist...I figured it would be interesting.

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Old 11-22-2005, 09:43 PM   #7
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How exactly can one prove that something doesn't exist? I really can't think of an experimentt that could even begin to test for psi under every condition possible, as that would be what one would need to do. Therefore, I side with ANKA in that a lack of proof =/= proof of a lack. That sounds a bit odd, i know, but I couldn't think of a better way of phrasing it.
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Old 11-22-2005, 10:47 PM   #8
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Meh, this was meant as a more amusing post then not...but I was also curious at the same time. Yes, it's practically impossible to prove something doesn't exist :-P It's no different then saying "Proove that aliens do not exist" or "Prove that there aren't invisible fuzzy bunnies that like to steal shiny stuff"...alrighty then :-p

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Old 11-22-2005, 11:02 PM   #9
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Extraordinary actually means outside the ordinary. So if we have evidence of someone being able to remotely move objects with their mind, sense things outside of their normal perception (as in RV), remotely change the temperature of something (hot/cold psi balls... I'm not sure how much people are able to affect air temperature with them.) and other such things, that is certianly outside of the ordinary.

But really, the "If you want to prove something exists, try and prove that it DOESN'T exist" is a good idea, because it lets people think about both sides of the argument and consider it better. I think many would agree that SOMETHING is going on when people practice and use psi, even if it's not exactly what we predict.
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:16 PM   #10
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Hmm, that's an interesting comment...using the anti-thesis method. Basically, using your "enemies" arguments to support your own by saying why they're wrong. It's a nice way to lengthen essays :-P

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Edit: I think it's called anti-thesis, anyways.
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