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Old 12-29-2008, 02:40 AM   #11
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That is one of the few things that offends me if you wern't jokeing I would
scream at you for saying "Minors aren't human anyway"
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:04 AM   #12
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I'll give you a serious reply about the minors. it's up to their parents, whose right it is to accept or refuse any treatment, particularly from a stranger. I could just imagine how some parents may react if someone offered "laying of hands" on their kids.

if someone is unconscious, it is more likely that they will need first aid than psionic assistance. In comatose patients, the right of acceptance or refusal is in the hands of their legally recognized representative/caretaker. likewise for reasons of mental incapacity.

in other words, if a patient isn't capable of rendering consent, and a legal representative, parent, or guardian is not present, it's the same as refusal. at least that's the rule for qualifying in clinical studies. this even includes ambulance instructions for stroke patients.

but not cpr.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:37 AM   #13
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Life saving measures for a person entirely unable to give consent is considered to fit under implied consent, health care wise.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:29 PM   #14
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For most nons and the unaware of real power, they consider anyone that affects them without their permission as being invasive.

Initially, I believed that as well, and even got very angry at WingedWolf about something she did with me, without permission.

However, as I've become more attuned to power, I can now see that every human affects each other constantly with energy, sometimes in extremely invasive ways.

For example, energy-workers tend to unconsciously affect everyone around them. This ranges from creating affinities with some, pushing others away, and reaching past people's natural shields to get them to do things.

In all, I'd say we need to be as aware of what we are doing as possible, and vigilant in not allowing our sub-conscious to do as it likes.

If we choose to help others around us, ask them first. And where such consent isn't possible, do what they would want for themselves, as well as what you'd want done to you in a similar situation.

In short, be honorable with your powers.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:58 PM   #15
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I keep thinking that if you could do something for the person in an extreme situation, it would be ok. But only if you really know what you're doing or it's some kind of extreme last ditch life or death thing. I know personally, if I could do something, I would not just sit around & watch in those situations. It should feel like the right thing to do when you do it if you're going to, not like you're doing something crazy.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:12 PM   #16
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It should feel like the right thing to do when you do it if you're going to, not like you're doing something crazy.
Some last-ditch life-saving medical techniques have felt pretty crazy to the doctors implementing them at the time. Lots of people around them thought they were crazy. But they saved the person's life. So feeling crazy isn't *always* a good measure. I know what you mean though...
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:05 PM   #17
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Medical Consent= an understanding adult or legal guardian, an incapacitated adult without a legal directive refusing care, a minor without a legal guardian or directive where life or limb is in danger. A person under arrest or incarcerated for a felony charge loses the right to refuse medical treatment.
Limb can be taken to mean any body organ.

Apologies for sarcastic reply. Still curious what constitutes energetic unconsciousness.
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Yah, if you know it's the right thing to do then that feeling/knowledge/whatever takes priority.
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What constitutes energetic unconsciousness could be being stripped of all abilitys however the person can still tell you what they want. Perhaps having ones body taken
over by a astral being like a demon.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:44 AM   #20
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to amaya: I did account for that, hence the final note about CPR :)

but what constitutes psionic CPR? and does implicit consent in legal terms even count with a healing technique not recognized by the law as it is written? say if someone were to rip your shoes off to perform live-saving acupressure without consent...
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